Who Is Harvey Brown?
There has been some discussion on this thread and others as to the identity of one Harvey Brown, who apparently has a school named after him in Louisville, according to Jason. Jason has also pointed out that there is a noted Christian speaker named Harvey Brown, though our boy Harvey has denied a connection.
Harvey, for you regular bloggers, has been all over the blog world the past few months. On Nikki Tatom's blog, Laura questioned whether Harvey was real, to which Harvey responded with an attack on my stuffed bunny Rabby. Oh, how little Harvey knows about Rabby's explosive temper ....
I will now venture some guesses as to the identity of Harvey Brown. Here are the choices:
Lorie King: It is odd, isn't it, how Lorie was NOWHERE to be seen in blogdom for months, during which the reign of Harvey began ON HER BLOG. Then when she burst back on the scene earlier this week, Harvey went on hiatus. Hmmmm. It's also interesting to note that Harvey has continuously pointed out that he met all his new blog friends through Lorie's site, that he, like Lorie, grew up in South Carolina, and that the cat in Lorie's blog picture is, in fact, his cat.
Nikki Tatom: Harvey may have appeared on Nikki's thread more than any other. Yet she never, never mentions him or responds to him. And we all know how creative Nikki is. Also, one time Harvey went on her roommate Kristin's blog and told Kristin not to do drugs in school. Kristin responded with a "good advice, Harvey," rather than doing what most bloggers have done with some of these comments -- ignore them. So perhaps Kristin knows her roomie is having some fun ....
Jason Ramage: This whole thing SCREAMS of Jason. It's something he would do -- let's face it. And Jason keeps bringing Harvey up. The smeller's the feller. Notice that Jason discovered Harvey had a school named after him. Jason discovered a Christian speaker with the same name. Is he trying to throw us off the scent?
Some Seminarian I Don't Know: Many of Harvey's posts are primarily about church methodology. It's no secret that he espouses views that would be at odds with many of us Sojourn-type folks. Maybe he's some seminarian with an alternate view on "how to do church" who has figured out that "Anonymous" is often ignored, so he came up with a pseudo-identity to try to convince us wayward Christians of the supremacy of Sandi Patti and 4 Him.
Harvey Brown: Maybe this dude is real. Why wouldn't he be? We all have met Christians like him. And just because he doesn't want to fill out a big ol' blog form and get an official link doesn't mean he's a fake. He claims to have joined Nikki's community group -- or at least he claims he "will be" joining it. That group is led by Mike Cosper. Hey, wait a minute ....
Mike Cosper: Now, Harvey's typical views on worship, the arts, etc. are diametrically opposed to the Worship Arts Minister of Sojourn. Perhaps he has created this character to sharpen the minds of everyone. In other words, by creating a caricature of the other side, he lets us see how wrong that side is -- in a way, it's actually more effective than if he were merely joining our little circle of blogs as himself, and offering his real opinions. And Mike is a very clever guy ... hmmmm. I'm gonna think about this one. I don't think "Harvey" would be foolish enough to say he was joining a community group led by Mike if he wasn't -- unless either Harvey is Nikki, and she doesn't think any of us will find out that there isn't a Harvey Brown in her group, or unless Harvey is Mike, the group's leader. Are there any other suspects in that group?
Harvey -- in case there is a real you, know that I'm just having some fun here. No harm intended. I enjoy your posts. I disagree with you often, but you certainly provide food for thought.
What do you people think? Who IS Harvey Brown?
P.S. I will return to my trinitarian articles shortly. I just had to get to the bottom of this issue first.
posted by Bobby @ 5:04 AM
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40 Comments:
See, and you know Lorie well. So that speaks strongly to the King Theory. But those other suspects have motive and opportunity as well.
Bobby...we all know Harvey Brown is YOU!!!
Are you mad, woman?!?
The evidence was starting to lean towards Cosper, but now I'd say it's swinging around to YOU.
Hahaha!
I can't believe you sacrificed Rabby to save Harvey.
The Little King speaks. But Lord only knows what she's saying.
Sacrificed Rabby to save Harvey? What are you talking about? Rabby is perfectly able to fend for himself. In fact, I think the restraint he has shown in light of Harvey's declarations against him is admirable. The old, sinner Rabby would have gone on the warpath.
And it's interesting that you didn't deny anything or defend yourself. But then, Nikki was somewhat evasive, too. We'll see what Jason has to say, though.
As for Cosper, I think someone should go up to him and say, "So tell me about Harvey Brown." See what he says. Sometimes if you confront someone with a direct comment, out of nowhere, you can catch them off guard and get them to reveal more than they want you to know -- if nothing else, through their unguarded facial expressions. In fact, I may take it upon myself to do this Sunday night after church.
Wow it's about time you had a real article on this blog...hahha. ANd a very good question that has been stirring like wild. I too at one time thoguht it was Lorie. But I think otherwise from the comments Harvey has left on my blog.
Yet I also back up the theory that you are Harvey Brown. I would have belived it otherwise but his last comment was very different and sounded more like you.
Great theory on Cosper but I think I would have to say no on him and Nikki. But I would not put this past Nikki to do something like that.
Now if Harvey is real, I think he may enjoy this attention so he may remain anonymnous for some time.
I think (in order of who it most likely is)
1.) Bobby
2.) Real
3.) Lorie
4.) Mike or Nikki
It amuses me to no end that some of you people think it's me. Hahaha!
I am curious as to why you don't include Jason though. This whole thing SCREAMS Ramage.
As far as Cosper goes, he's very clever. And Lorie and Nikki: never underestimate the craftiness of a woman. Besides, it is very telling how they just shirked off the whole thing with their comments. Maybe it's both of them, working together. But man, there is a lot of evidence that it's Ramage.
Cheryl? Hmmm ....
Naw. It isn't you. Sorry. Thanks for playing.
I'm not sure on Rabby's logic regarding Lorie and Mike, though he speaks words of wisdom regarding Nikki and myself. But I'm going to have to agree with him and Cheryl that the evidence for Ramage is strong, and mounting, considering that he hasn't replied. Running for cover, I'd bet.
hah its not jessica simpson either!!!!
It's about time I spoke up 'fore da mob comes a lynchin' fer me!
Let me make this perfectly clear. Jason has no alter ego by the name of Harvey Brown. You want to know how I found out about the public speaker named Harvey Brown? I did a Google search and his site was one of the first hits. Not hard at all. That was a long time ago and I knew something was up because I could smell it. Well, an unnamed roommate of mine was actually the first to suggest to me that Harvey Brown is actually nothing more than another figment of Bobby's hyperactive imagination.
Then another piece of evidence came from nowhere when I was working childcare last night. Guess what? Turns out one of them darn kids goes to Harvey Brown Elementary. You shoulda seen my face light up when I heard it!
So I've done a little more research, and it appears this school must be associated with Harvey Brown Memorial Presbyterian Church at 311 Browns Lane in St. Matthews.
Or maybe it's one of these two guys.
And I don't know what all that means, besides the fact that we know where Bobby got the name Harvey Brown.
Harvey has yet to speak up for himself. Which makes me think it's one of the people who have commented so far. I feel like I'm playing Clue. I think it was Miss Scarlet in the Library with the Candlestick.
If anyone has played mafia, that's exactly what this is like :)
I just think it's hilarious that, because I finally started calling people out in my attempt to get to the bottom of this, we have suspects who are attempting to throw mud on the window by saying it's me.
This is an inquisition, people. You aren't getting off so easy.
But Jason does provide an interesting link -- there are two Harvey Brown's listed in the Louisville phone book. So maybe he IS real. Come out, come out, wherever you are, Harvey Brown.
But then, we knew he must live around here anyway because he claims to be joining Nikki's community group. Does everyone know who ELSE is in that group? Someone on the list of suspects? Lorie King!
Oh yes, I have been doing some digging. And now it's looking like one of my hunches might be right -- those two diabolocal little boweevils, Nikki and Lorie, may be working together on this.
You're getting warm Bobby. Only time will tell.
Is that a gauntlet I see?
Bring it on, Brother Harvey!
Well once in a comment to my blog he said he was Harvey Brown from Point of Grace.
I still think its Bobby! I still do not think it to be Jason.
There's a Harvey Brown in P.O.G.?
Dude, P.O.G. is so freakin' awesome. I totally rock out to them every Sunday morning, and sometimes on Saturday night too. Effin' A, man.... effin' A.
Ahem. This is Harvey Brown. I have been reading the whole time, but I haven't said anything because I am aghast.
#1 I never said I was with Point of Grace Tom. Although I would love to be their road manger or something. I believe in their mission is all and I promote good Christian music with my testimony.
#2 I am not connected with any school.
#3 Whoever that was that posted as "Harvey Brown" and said "Your getting warm Bobby" was not me. He is not the real Harvey Brown. You guys all think this is funny. To me, this is how all thedenominations got started. Because no one could get along and agree on things and just love jesus so in came confusion. This is a good object lesson for everyone.
4. I am thinking of being on the worship team with Nikko, Lorie and Mike and talks have begun. I look forward to meeting all by bandmates and introducing or reintroducing them to cutting edge Christian music so that we can continue to glorify HIM with our song and reach the lost in a way that communicates with them. A way that they understand and identify with. So I am making a tape of all my favorite Christian songs that people can study and learn so we can begin performing them. Because some of those songs at Sojourn don't seem like things that people have ever heard of and then of course there's some really old songs that the kids can't relate to. But that's what some of the initial talks have been about.
5. I never said that the cat Lorie is holding is my cat. I said it looks like my cat. If the cat is really a Cyprus cat then it can't be mine because mine is a Carolina cat. It could only be mine if Lorie took mine to Cyprus by mistake instead of her own. But my cat was never gone for any great length of time. So it probably just looks like my cat.
6. I still don't understand this Rabby business. It's almost like he's a demon.
OK Bobby/Harvey......OK yeah I re-read that msg....you should word things better. It read that way and still almost does.
Nor did I say it was the group Point of Grace....I saw there is a church with that name too. There are more references than point of grace. So I guess we are even on screwing up each others words.
Yes Harvey you are a real person....plauing pretend. Otherwise you would have already said something by now. I second the nomination that it is Bobby, if not he is behind this.
I think, Dr. Tom, that you have been paid off. I think you are either working with Jason or with the Tatom/ King combo to throw everyone off the trail by accusing me.
Don't you think if it was me that I'd have gone ahead and set up an actual blog identity for the fella, as I've done for Rabby? I could have really had fun with that. As a matter of fact, I wish I'd thought of it sooner. Not sure I'd have used a name like "Harvey Brown" though. No offense, Harvey, in case you're real. It's not a bad name. But I'd come up with something like Mortimus Baloompa.
you guys are all insane.
nope not paid a dime....but you have not given enough to convicne me though!!! Besides you might think it's fun to keep it going like this for so long and confusing folks.
What "really old songs" do we sing at Sojourn? :) The only time I think we sing anything written by someone born earlier than the Baby Boomer generation is during Christmas.
At least we don't sound like Southeast... I don't know how people go there every Sunday without shooting themselves, or suffocating from the automobile exhaust waiting to leave the parking lot.
And I'm kidding... I can just tell someone is going to take me seriously and reply with a speech about how Southeast is doing wonderful things in our community and 17,845 people have been saved who otherwise would be walking in darkness and how the Vine is such a blessing for all the rich, snobby kids in the East End who otherwise would have a lot of trouble finding nominally Christian people that their parents will approve of them dating while they practice safe sex... mostly.
Seriously, I think it's digusting. Using a condom is a grave sin.
So you don't use a condom while having pre-marital sex with your girlfriend?
He's doing it again! THIS is Harvey Brown. That other guy is a phony. When have I ever used such language as has just been used in my name?
I don't use the c-word or the s-word in mixed company. S is a gift from God to be used within the confines of holy matrimony, which is a state that I have not yet entred into because I haven't found that special someone who can cook as good as Mom and has those old fashioned morals yet is "hip to the lingo" as we say, and can reach the sinners down "in the hood."
It shouldn't be joked about. Obviously the Ramage fellow likes to shock and titillate. I've read his columns and I know that. But whoever is going along with it and using my name is doing a grave disservice to a child of the King. Think on that.
And you do so sing those old songs at Sojourn. All those hymns. When I get on the praise team I'm going to recommend we start a morning service strictly for the old Christians who like that sort of thing, so that the edgier service can concentrate on the kinds of songs that will convict the sinner man while using some cool beats like he hears on the radio, like from CHristiana Aguilera and the Motley Crew.
And Southeast is a fine church. They do a great work and I don't know what you mean by nominal. And they certainly don't go around talking about c. and s.
Hey, real Harvey. Here's the thing. Jason likes to "titillate," as you put it, and so does the fake Harvey. Do you know why? Because Jason is the fake Harvey. And you, real Harvey, are not really "real" Harvey because their is no real Harvey. You are Nikki Tatom and Lorie King, working together.
I've got ALL you people figured out. And Tom, you're probably working for both Jason and Tatom-King, and playing both sides against each other.
And as far as Mr. Insane Anonymous goes: come on in; the water is warm.
SO Lemme get this straight? It is Harvey Brown = King and Tatom, evil henchmen = Ramage and Branch, mr clean n innocent = Gilles?
Bobby do you really wanna call down the Thunder? Rmage is right this is pretty much a game of Mafia, except Bobby hs accused more than one person this turn and no one is dead yet....see rules for details, its a game folks...
...ok here is the challenge
Harvey...Prove yourself otherwise
Bobby Prove your innocence
Tatom/King/Ramage Conter prove Bobby's accusations
Invisible man in the corner...stop picking yout nose
Will the real harvey brown please stand up? please stand up?
Cheryl. Dear, precious Cheryl. I'm sorry, but you simply cannot be Harvey Brown. Ramage is one; Tatom-King is another.
Tom, how can I prove to not be something? I can't. No one can. But good grief, I'm already speaking for myself and a bunny.
I would think that if Harvey really goes to Sojourn, he would start showing himself to people on Sunday nights. He can see many of our pictures through these comments, so he should be able to figure out who we are.
But Harvey, just so you know: I don't normally wear the hat. But Tom really does have a menacing stare, and Lorie carries that cat everywhere she goes. I think they've both got the mange.
Wow Cheryl, you really wanna be Harvey? Hmmmm She does have one point. But I think at this point it's all Red Herring.
Bobby stare all you want but You cannot pin this one me.
Oh yeah Anon#2 that was great...so far the best comment on this thread.
ANyone wanna second the nomination for Cheryl?
This is Harvey Brown.
Fake Harveys keep cropping up and you all keep blaming each other and saying each other is me, and there are all these snide remkarks. So hear me. Hear me.
I am going away. I have tried to befeind you and to give you the benefit of my wisdom. I am 29 years old. That's quite a bit older than most of you and I've packed a lo of living under this belt, but you mock me. No more! I shall run, I shall melt into the forest. I shall be as the beaver and the the robin, sailing away, ever away. You'll not have me to kick around.
My Lord will be my aid and succor, my sustenance and my strength and I will mount yes mount on wings of eagles and be safe from the storms that pass below. All the accusing, the name calling, the cat stealing, it will all come to nought. You people will be sorry, and you will rue the day you drove out Harvey Brown. "For I was naked and uoi clothed me, I was in prison and you visited me, I was a stranger and you took me in." But no! No! Warmly with my hand I would shake you, but yo turn away.
I'm going now. I'm really going. You can't stop me. I won't come back even if you beg me. I'm really gong. We shall never meet again.
This has been Harvey Brown.
Harvey Brown's writing reads suspiciously like Bobby's writing.
And since I've been taking my medication, I don't pretend to have multiple online personalities.
And "nominal" is the word we use for all those church-goin' folks who love misery so much that they get up at 8am and drive through bumper-to-bumper traffic to attend Southeast.
Well, I do have a friend who goes to Southeast and he's not nominal. But he's an exception to the rule.
What's your deal with Southeast Jason? They way you always refer to Southeast in your sly comments, I detect a hint of jealousy.
OK so if Mr Harvey Brown is gone....who is he? Please folks fess up. The game has run it's course.
Harvey's writing reads nothing like mine.
And I think, by now, there might be 4 or 5 people posting as "Harvey Brown."
My comments are not sly. They are "titillating," like Bobby said. Besides, I thought I already gave the "I'm kidding" disclaimer.
Seriously though, my problem with Southeast is those guys in the parking lot who greet you with forced smiles, pretending that you are the greatest thing that ever strolled into the building while making small talk about why you're there and stuff.
Besides that, Southeast is awesome. I wish there were a Northcentral Christian Church right smack in the middle of Louisville.
Oh yeah... and "mount on the wings of eagles"? Harvey didn't write that. That's totally Bobby's writing.
Sigh. Okay. Here goes.
Hey everyone, gee whiz. I just had an idea. What if Harvey is Cheryl? Wouldn't that have been a clever ruse? Here we are talking about everyone else, when it has been Cheryl the whole time.
You got us Cheryl. But now we're on to you. Admit it. Admit you're Harvey Brown.
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