Old School Excerpt
From a fictional account of a Robert Frost lecture in Tobias Wolff's excellent novel "Old School." Frost is laying a verbal smackdown on a teacher who had insinuated that in these complicated modern times, with industrialization, wars, etc., strict attention to form and meter is inadequate to "express the modern consciousness," and that "form should give way to more spontaneous modes of expression:"
"... don't tell me about war. I lost my nearest friend in the one they call the Great War. So did Achilles lose his friend in war, and Homer did no injustice to his grief by writing about it in dactylic hexameters. There've always been wars, and they've always been as foul as we could make them. It is very fine and pleasant to think ourselves the most put-upon folk in history -- but then everyone has thought that from the beginning. It makes a grand excuse for all manner of laziness. But about my friend. I wrote a poem for him. I still write poems for him. Would you honor your own friend by putting words down anyhow, just as they come to you -- with no thought for the sound they make, the meaning of their sound, the sound of their meaning? Would that give a true account of the loss?
Frost had been looking right at Mr. Ramsey as he spoke. Now he broke off and let his eyes roam over the room.
I am thinking of Achilles' grief, he said. That famous, terrible, grief. Let me tell you boys something. Such grief can only be told in form. Maybe it only really exists in form. Form is everything. Without it you've got nothing but a stubbed-toe cry -- sincere, maybe, for what that's worth, but with no depth or carry. No echo. You may have a grievance but you do not have grief, and grievances are for petitions, not poetry. Does that answer your question?"
22 Comments:
I feel very unsettled.
This has been Harvey Brown.
bobby i'm wondering just how many different "personalities" will show up in your comments in one day
Including all the variations of me?
17. Or, including all the variations of you, 25.
BOBBY HIGHJACKED MY IDENTITY
WE ARE SO FIGHTING RIGHT NOW
With knives.
BRING IT ON CHUMP! GURLS RULE!
I think that Frost and his teacher are both right.. or wrong depending on how you look at it. Everyone expresses, responds to and relates to emotion differently.
I have a question- How is it that this Uncle Geoffrey person is from Louisville, according to his blog, yet does his neighborhhod watch rounds in Jeff?
I think perhaps Uncle Geoffrey lists himself as being from Louisville for the benefit of the out-of-towners, who wouldn't know where Jeff was, or that it is basically a suburb of Louisville, although it's in a different state and is separated by the river.
Same as me.
But that's just speculation on my part.
Ahahaha, I trying to remember if I've ever uttered the words "bring it on CHUMP".
Oh and in the fight, can we use guns, because I'm from Texas so they teach us more about guns than knives. Thanks.
Bobby, you do not live in a suburb of Louisville- you are a Hoosier.
Uncle Geoffrey- I'm putting up curtains today!
And after using the word CHUMP, I think it has a certain ring to it so I may use it again.
When I say guns I mean shotguns!
I am a Hoosier when I feel like identifying with Indiana and a Louisvillian when I feel like identifying with Louisville, and a Kentuckian when I feel like identifying with Kentucky (because make no mistake about it, there is a difference between Louisville and the rest of Kentucky).
I am three-in-one. Oh yeah.
I'm sorry for ever saying the word "chump." In fact, I am a chump. And I don't know how to use guns OR knives, and we like to wear big ugly belt buckles in Texas.
hahahah Bobby I swear if you are going to mimic me you better do a better job than that.
I think that means Tom has taken my side in all of this (Way to go Tom)
Bobby - YOU ARE A NUT
and just for your inforamtion the "we" associated with the big ugly belt buckles does not include "me" although it might include the other katie posing as me
in fact, that katie is all countryfied
Hello, this is Harvey Brown.
I think everyone in this chat room needs to step back and ask themselves "WWJD."
Camille?
WWJD? Who Was Jeramine Duprius?
Is that what it means? I thought, I thought ...
sigh.
Now what am I going to do with all these bracelets.
This has been Harvey Brown.
NUTS, you're all nuts
at least watchings nuts is highly entertaining
I am a cashew thank you very much!
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